Znarok was disqualified and deprived of accreditation for the 2014 World Cup. And this is all before the decisive final match...
Today, May 25, before the final match of the World Hockey Championship, the Disciplinary Committee of the International Hockey Federation (IIHF) made a decision on the incident involving the head coach of the Russian team Oleg Znark.
Head coach of the Russian national team Oleg Znarok will not be able to be on his team’s bench during the final match of the 2014 World Cup against the Finnish team. The World Championship Directorate decided to disqualify the 51-year-old specialist for one match. In addition, the trainer has been deprived of accreditation.
Znarok has been deprived of accreditation. Can sit in the hall with tickets. Why didn't you come to the meeting? What's the point? Shipachev arrived and received a three-game disqualification. We haven’t decided how we will keep in touch yet, we’ll discuss it after the training. For me, this is an incomprehensible decision, the search for the brain in the (f-word) sparrow. But the team will only unite,” commented the general manager of the Russian national team Andrei Safronov on the IIHF decisions.
Let us recall that at the end of the semi-final match against the Swedish team (3:1), Znarok first took part in a verbal altercation with the Swedish coach Rikard Gronberg, and then showed a threatening gesture towards him, holding his palm across his throat. The incident arose after Swedish striker Mikael Backlund punched Russian forward Sergei Plotnikov, after which he was sent off for the rest of the match.
After this, the head coach of the Russian national team, Oleg Znarok, said that the gesture he showed to the opponent’s bench in the match against Sweden (3:1) meant that he had a sore throat.
My throat hurt. It’s very cold here in the coaching room, we’re on the ice all the time, we were given thin suits. You see, even my voice dropped. The Swedish striker acted incorrectly. You have to be able to lose beautifully. We have a very characterful team. Did the Swedes really think that we wouldn’t fight them back? I had to detain the guys, otherwise they could start an ice battle. You know the result. Anything can happen. But yes, it was ugly. This is probably my character. Although this was clearly a provocation. The coach began to say something. “I’d like to see what he’ll say on the street,” the coach said.
Although, it was “the coach of the Swedish national team, Rikard Grenberg, who threatened physical violence against the head coach of the Russian national team, Oleg Znark.” - Swedish journalist Lena Sundqvist reported this.
Yes, Greenberg said several times: "I will kill you." I listened very carefully. I would never have said this on air if I wasn’t absolutely sure of it,” Sundqvist said.
The leadership of the national team and the press service are preparing a “very tough statement” that will reflect the position of the Russian side.
In the meantime, Oleg Znark's assistant Harijs Vitolins will lead the team to the finals...
Oleg Znarok - about his disqualification for the World Cup final in Minsk
Dear mother... Whatever you tell the journalists, he will still be misrepresented...
On May 25, I was asked to comment on the gestures that Russian national team coach Oleg Znarok demonstrated to his Swedish colleagues. I commented.
In the version of "Soviet Sport" it looks like this (and for some reason in two versions):
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SOVIET SPORT
Expert in thieves' jargon: I didn't see anything criminal in Oleg Znark's gestures
Journalist and researcher of the criminal language Alexander Sidorov (Fima Zhiganets), in a conversation with a Soviet Sport correspondent, commented on the gestures of the head coach of the Russian national team Oleg Znarok towards the Swedish coach at the end of the semi-final match Russia - Sweden (3: 1).
“To be honest, I didn’t see anything criminal in Znark’s gestures. It would be stupid and pointless for him to show anything, since the Swedes do not know our vocabulary. Running your hand across your throat is an international sign that everyone understands.
There are special signs in the criminal world, but understand, they are so specific and not particularly common. For example, two fingers on the forehead, then on the shoulder - that means the police are close. Or put the “pitchfork” to the chin with your little finger and index finger. But I repeat, the IIHF leaders who punished Znarok today (the head coach of the Russian national team was disqualified for the final against Finland - Ed.) hardly understood criminal gestures. Even if he really showed something, no one would understand anything.” – Sidorov told Soviet Sport
Fima Zhiganets: Znarok showed the Swede that he was an informer, and he himself was a cop
Journalist Alexander Sidorov, known as Fima Zhiganets, the most famous Russian researcher of thieves' jargon, the author of the best-selling collection of classical poetry in thieves' translations "My uncle, the bastard, a thief in law...", explained the meaning of the gestures of the head coach of the Russian national team in adapting to the thieves' hairdryer, reports the publication "Soviet Sport".
Alexander Sidorov explained the meaning of all three gestures of Oleg Znarok.
The first gesture is touching the neck with the edge of your palm. This is a classic gesture that means "I'm going to finish you off." Sidorov claims that the gesture is exclusively criminal in nature.
The second gesture is an indication of the shoulder straps and a tap on the palm.
According to Alexander Sidorov, this translates as follows: “It’s not a bastard to report to the cops for such matters.” Sidorov emphasizes that in a criminal environment, tapping on the palm means the presence of an informer (traitor). Indication of shoulder straps - police. Note that Oleg Znarok is also the head coach of Dynamo Moscow. This sports society has always been associated with law enforcement agencies.
Gesture three, striking palm to palm and indicating direction.
This, Sidorov believes, is not a gesture from the criminal world, it is a gesture from hooligans. And it means: “I will grind you.” The indication in the direction of the locker room should, Fima Zhiganets believes, be interpreted as follows: we get to the locker room and “I’ll put you in the mix.” This gesture, like the first, Alexander Sidorov is sure, carries an open threat.
A COMMENT.
Edrena matryona... ELDERBOY WENT OUT IN THE VEGETABLE, AND IN Kyiv - UNC (not Poroshenko).
Firstly, I could not call Znarok’s disqualification nonsense, since a completely different logical conclusion follows from my interpretation of the coach’s gestures. I called the statements of some journalists about the fact that Znarok showed a criminal gesture with shoulder straps and informing the Swedes nonsense. Who wouldn't understand him anyway. Look at the recording - and you will clearly see that this is an appeal to one of “our own people” with an explanation :). That is, this clearly did not apply to the Swedes.
Further. Znarok made the sign of cutting the throat, not with his palm, but with his thumb. I actually said “with the edge of my palm” in a conversation, but then I corrected myself. Finally, when I explained the “put into the mix” gesture, I was definitely talking about FISTS, not PALM. As can be seen on the recording.
All this gave reason to see threats in Znarok’s gestures. Another thing is that the first “by the throat” and “kneading” are understandable without any explanation, but the “cops” and “informer” were not directed towards the Swedes, since they would not have understood anything anyway :).
And as a result of the “damaged phone” it turned out that I was defending Znarok in some ridiculous way: I said that he was guilty, but still not guilty... Eh, guys...
In the photo: here, by the way, Znarok demonstrates another criminal gesture: “let’s act together, mind you,” “work closer together, as a pair.” But even without the criminal component, it’s clear what we’re talking about.
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That is, Fima, if you summarize the resume of the summaries from “Soviet Sport” - your resume was distorted exactly the opposite.
Right? That is, by using your name, they expressed their opinion, diametrically opposed to what you said... Right?
Not so specific, of course. But if they misrepresented it, they misrepresented it. As for my opinion, Znarok, of course, essentially made incorrect gestures towards the Swedes, this is a medical fact. But to punish him so harshly for this, in my opinion, was unfair. Like this.
“...All this gave reason to see threats in Znarok’s gestures...”
I see things as mutually negating each other.
Whether to punish Znarok or not is another matter. There are probably some rules here that are unlikely to have anything to do with “exclusively anti-Russian character.” Some patriots tend to reduce victories and losses equally to political dramas. When Canadians, Americans, Czechs or other Swedes fight and in their hockey they constantly kick someone out or disqualify them, in some incomprehensible way they routinely manage without “anti-Russian or anti-other sentiments.” The more corrupt a society is, the more often it suspects others of being corrupt. And sports judges, too. If the cops in the corners don’t take change from them, they are at least a little less likely to be biased by judges. A coach at a World Cup who knows and is confident that he can be shown close-up around the world should behave better. This is definitely true. This blasphemy is ostentatious, “boyish” - it should be indecent in such an application. And it is “heroism”. This, in my humble opinion, is not good.
Well, anti-Russian sentiments exist, just as we have anti-Western sentiments. This is a medical fact. And this kind of sentiment manifests itself in different areas. About the “incorruptibility” and “objectivity” of Western judges - you, my friend, have had enough :))). They were corrupt through and through even before such an infection spread to us. And to this day, scandals with “incorruptibles” constantly break out here and there. Only I don’t remember that - with all the extravagance of “their” coaches - anyone was deprived of the right to attend the final match. Maybe I'm wrong. Then remind me, who am so stupid. And both coaches and hockey players often behave in an obscene manner. It's even part of the image. Actually, you don’t have to go far: let’s remember WHAT Znarok reacted to.
And again, I do not dispute the NECESSITY to respond to unsportsmanlike actions of anyone, from coaches to fans. Important. so that the reaction is adequate. In the end, everyone will benefit from this. And the British fans have now been somewhat cooled down by constant harsh measures (and before that the same thing was done with the Italian “tiffosi”), and US hockey players, unlike Canadian and Swedish ones, are not rude on the ice and do not behave like cattle or women. That is, we need to move forward in this regard.
Fima, in the West there are taboos on certain things. Like you can’t shout “fire” in a movie theater if there isn’t one, etc. An outright threat of murder is also one of them. A finger to the throat is a banal thing that everyone understands. Everything else, all the rest, even incomprehensible signs, only aggravated the ominousness. The judges' reaction was absolutely adequate and immediate. I'll tell you more - I can't imagine that she could have been different. Seriously. For such a gesture in such a situation, anyone would be punished the same or almost the same way. I sat and tried to remember situations where coaches behaved like this, and so that they didn’t have anything to do with it. Znarok WANTED to look like mafiosi in the movies. He enjoyed it at that moment. He’s still there and says something like “I’ll fucking kill (you)”... This is obvious to someone who speaks the language. So I got it. He played the role of a mafia god telling someone to solve it. And that’s exactly how the judges understood him.
Everything else is accompanying noise. This gesture and facial expression. Do not need anything else.
The Swede answered him. and also, as eyewitnesses say, not in the high style of Russian romance, but in English swearing. As for gestures: this gesture - a finger to the throat - for many Western hockey players, especially in Canada, is almost traditional in relation to the enemy. Phil Esposito used it extensively at one time. and no one ever punished him. We only show the NHL via satellite, otherwise you would be more aware.
We need to fight this, I agree. However, it is not only ours who experience emotions that run high in the heat of battle. I repeat: the United States has very valuable experience in this matter. they are great guys here. rudeness and threats are severely punished, and hockey only benefits from this.
Znarok was disqualified and deprived of accreditation for the 2014 World Cup. And this is all before the decisive final match...
Today, May 25, before the final match of the World Hockey Championship, the Disciplinary Committee of the International Hockey Federation (IIHF) made a decision on the incident involving the head coach of the Russian team Oleg Znark.
Head coach of the Russian national team Oleg Znarok will not be able to be on his team’s bench during the final match of the 2014 World Cup against the Finnish team. The World Championship Directorate decided to disqualify the 51-year-old specialist for one match. In addition, the trainer has been deprived of accreditation.
Znarok has been deprived of accreditation. Can sit in the hall with tickets. Why didn't you come to the meeting? What's the point? Shipachev arrived and received a three-game disqualification. We haven’t decided how we will keep in touch yet, we’ll discuss it after the training. For me, this is an incomprehensible decision, the search for the brain in the (f-word) sparrow. But the team will only unite,” commented the general manager of the Russian national team Andrei Safronov on the IIHF decisions.
Let us recall that at the end of the semi-final match against the Swedish team (3:1), Znarok first took part in a verbal altercation with the Swedish coach Rikard Gronberg, and then showed a threatening gesture towards him, holding his palm across his throat. The incident arose after Swedish striker Mikael Backlund punched Russian forward Sergei Plotnikov, after which he was sent off for the rest of the match.
After this, the head coach of the Russian national team, Oleg Znarok, said that the gesture he showed to the opponent’s bench in the match against Sweden (3:1) meant that he had a sore throat.
My throat hurt. It’s very cold here in the coaching room, we’re on the ice all the time, we were given thin suits. You see, even my voice dropped. The Swedish striker acted incorrectly. You have to be able to lose beautifully. We have a very characterful team. Did the Swedes really think that we wouldn’t fight them back? I had to detain the guys, otherwise they could start an ice battle. You know the result. Anything can happen. But yes, it was ugly. This is probably my character. Although this was clearly a provocation. The coach began to say something. “I’d like to see what he’ll say on the street,” the coach said.
Although, it was “the coach of the Swedish national team, Rikard Grenberg, who threatened physical violence against the head coach of the Russian national team, Oleg Znark.” - Swedish journalist Lena Sundqvist reported this.
Yes, Greenberg said several times: "I will kill you." I listened very carefully. I would never have said this on air if I wasn’t absolutely sure of it,” Sundqvist said.
The leadership of the national team and the press service are preparing a “very tough statement” that will reflect the position of the Russian side.
In the meantime, Oleg Znark's assistant Harijs Vitolins will lead the team to the finals...
Oleg Znarok - about his disqualification for the World Cup final in Minsk
“I’ll put you to the test.” What do Znarka's gestures mean? (photo, survey)
The Soviet Sport correspondent talked with journalist and researcher of the criminal language Alexander Sidorov (Fima Zhiganets) about the gestures of the head coach of the Russian national team Oleg Znarok.The Soviet Sport correspondent talked with journalist and researcher of the criminal language Alexander Sidorov (Fima Zhiganets) about the gestures of the head coach of the Russian national team Oleg Znarok. Let us remember that they cost him disqualification for the final match of the World Cup against the Finnish national team.
First gesture
Everything is clear here, this is an international gesture. It means a threat to cut your throat, or “I will finish you.” By any means. The gesture has a criminal connotation.
Second gesture
Here is an indication of shoulder straps, and then he tapped his palm. This can be interpreted as follows: for such matters you can report to the cops. This is a gesture from the criminal world. Translated into ordinary language, he meant that such things should not be allowed. This was not an invective (offensive) gesture. There were no insults directed at anyone here. In the criminal world, banging your fist on your palm means an informer, and pointing to your shoulder straps means the police.
Third gesture
This is not so much a gesture from the criminal world as a gesture from hooligans. It means "I will grind you to death." And before that, Znarok pointed towards the locker room, meaning that, they say, we’ll go out and I’ll grind you there. In other words, he showed that he would give the Swede a good beating. “I’ll mix you up, put you to the test,” that’s what it meant. The first and third gesture, unlike the second, contain an open threat to the person.
Summary
I think disqualification is nonsense. A person cannot be disqualified or removed for this. It was possible, for example, to demand an apology after the match, but depriving him of the right to be on the bench in the final is too much. This is not just an unwise decision. It was clearly accepted solely because it was about the Russian national team. In any other case, no one would have allowed this. This is a direct demonstration of disrespect for Russia and the Russian team.
source: “Soviet Sport”
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Today in Sochi the second match of our team at the 2014 Channel One Cup will take place. The Swedes will be the opponents of Oleg Znarok’s team, which means that the 2014 World Cup semi-final and Oleg Valerievich’s finger will pop up in our heads again...
Well, did you surface? If suddenly not, although this is unlikely, let me remind you.
At the end of the semi-final match of the World Championship Russia - Sweden (3:1), our team's forward Sergei Plotnikov fell on the ice after contact with an opponent. A skirmish began on the ice. As a result, Swede Mikael Backlund, who pushed Plotnikov, received a disciplinary fine for the rest of the game.
But the most interesting thing at that moment was happening overboard. Russian national team head coach Oleg Znarok shouted at Swedish coach Rikard Gronborg and ran his thumb across his throat. But the Scandinavian did not tell jokes in response. “Gronborg shouted ‘I’ll kill you!’ several times,” Swedish radio journalist Lena Sundqvist later said. “I listened very carefully and would never have said this if I wasn’t so sure.”
“I wish I could see what he told me on the street,” Znarok said at a press conference. - What did I show in response? My throat hurt, it was cold in the trainer’s room, and our suits were thin...
But the IIHF did not believe Znark, and slapped both coaches with a one-match disqualification. However, the Russian team won the World Cup with Harijs Vitolins at the head of the team. But that's a completely different story.
“Znark’s gesture” went to the people. And the best proof of this was KVN. In the summer, another music festival took place in Jurmala, Latvia, and Oleg Valerievich was on the jury. And “Znark’s gesture” turned out to be perhaps the most “quoted” in this game.
First, it was shown by a member of the “Uyezdny Gorod” team from Oleg Valeryevich’s native Chelyabinsk. Then the Moscow team “Parapaparam”, when they portrayed American television. His “presenter”, to explain the word “hockey”, resorted to the “Znark gesture”. And then he played on the mentor’s surname in a musical way - Znarep-Znarok. The team from Pyatigorsk also pampered the audience with Znarka’s gesture.
Yes, of course, the general manager of the national team Andrei Safronov has already said that that semi-final with the Swedes has been forgotten. Yes, coach Rikard Gronborg no longer works at his team's headquarters. Moreover, apparently, he is now completely unemployed. Although Per Mots, on whose staff Rickard worked, still heads the national team (isn’t that the case, by the way), influenced the decision of the venerable head coach to abandon the young expressive specialist?) Yes, at the first Finnish stage of the Eurotour, the Russian and Swedish national teams already crossed paths, and ours lost in shootouts (4:5). But it’s still impossible to forget Znarka’s gesture. Now he is a feature or, if you want, a symbol of matches with the Swedes. At least until the next World Cup in the Czech Republic. Fortunately, both teams came into today’s match with 3 points in the tournament.
Who should we fear most among today's Swedes? Firstly, two defenders. Patrick Hersley from Sibir and Johan Fransson from Rapperswil, who were burned with napalm in the first match of the Channel One Cup with the Czech Republic and scored a double. And also an old friend Linus Umark, who scored a hat-trick, although it was an assist.
Let me remind you that the Swedes currently have 13 KHL representatives. And almost all of them are well-known in our league. So it won’t be easy for Oleg Znark’s guys.
Match: Sweden - Russia